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Men and Affirmation

Last post 05-22-2008, 8:08 AM by PearsandGrapes. 4 replies.
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  •  05-08-2008, 11:52 AM 3579

    Men and Affirmation

    Family Life Today was a very interesting show on men and their egos and their need for affirmation. It is certainly true that men need it. However, the instruction from the author sounded a little on the "stepford-wife" side. It has been my experience that affirmation from a woman to her husband comes like a fountain bubbling up all kinds of kindness and understanding as a response to her husband's leadership and how he is taking care of her. She doesn't have to be told to do it. There was a mention of situations when the men do not and how the women need to affirm any way. I do not agree. I think the situation is much more complex than that. If there is some issue with affirmation with the man, no amount of affirmation from the wife is going to be enough.

    In thinking about this from a sort of anthropologic point of view, the origins of this is that we, as a society, have lost the knowledge of how to raise boys to be men. The author mentions the fragility of the male ego. It is not supposed to be. Men are supposed to be the strength of the family. Their relationships with their wives should be on the basis of their strengh, lending their strength to their wife and their family. What happens now-a-days is that men and women marry out of mutual need rather than whatever strengths they each bring to the relationship.

    The picture I see that God intended is the man, aligned under God, performs his God-given duties. These are meant to be hard. He shoulders that burden, but not without help. The strength he brings is from God as He has given and from His direction. And something that was not mentioned in the show, because of this, because he has been given the charge over his family by God, he seeks his affirmation from God, and really from God alone.

    The wife, taking her charge from the man and God, aligns herself with the man and naturally responds with gratitude of the man taking care of her. Her affirmation is secondary, however, to the affirmation the man recieves from God.

    The reason I say we have forgotten how to raise boys to men is that the origins of problems in this area are from a lack of affirmation from mother and father. Boys and girls need it from both parents. Somewhere in the growing up years there is supposed to be a transfer from the affirmation of the parents to God. Not that the parents are supposed to stop affirming, but the idea is there is a transfer where the boy begins to look to please God more than his parents. Problems come when there has been no real affirmation and/or there has been no transfer. In those cases, men marry out of a needfor affirmation (commonly women like their mothers) instead of marrying from their ability and desire to support a wife and family.

    The author seems to be well intentioned, but the husbands in those situations, are much better served by being pointed by their wives back to God, to first seek their charge from God and trusting Him to provide it and the strength needed to fulfill it. Let the wives then step back and let God play that part in the husband and reserve themselves to respond to the husband's care.

     

  •  05-08-2008, 12:40 PM 3587 in reply to 3579

    Re: Men and Affirmation

    Again your comments are very refreshing!  And just for the record my husband agrees with you as well.  He has been somewhat annoyed by the broadcasts this week.  It seems to us that the "feminist" movement has so pervaded the church that often times we don't even see when we "dumb down" our men.  Men are image bearers of God!  (as our women)  Men are to be the initiators, the heros and women were created as responders.  We typically repsond warmly, affirming and etc to such leadership.  It just seems that the broadcast this week puts the responsibity for the well being of the marriage and the man on the wife's shoulders.  That is not how God designed it.  And it is not that I don't agree that women have an obligation to God and their husbands to do all the mentioned things, but to me, in the wrong kind of marriage it would seem almost to enable a man to continue bad behaviors.  I just feel like as a society we have really lowered the bar for our guys:  take any sitcom and look at the husband....walking hormone, not too bright, etc  and then the wife; smart, pretty and always instructing the husband.  We have bought into the lie; boys will be boys, just the way they are wired etc.  It hurts my heart.  Anyways, both my husband and I appreciated your post yesterday and today! 
  •  05-20-2008, 8:58 AM 5798 in reply to 3579

    Re: Men and Affirmation

    Interesting that affirmation is a kind of respect, and when presented in that contect it seems somehow less palatable. Men do need this, as do likely women and maybe even house pets for all I know....meaning its just an essentially good thing to do to anyone....affirm and respect.
  •  05-20-2008, 9:17 AM 5815 in reply to 3579

    Re: Men and Affirmation

    I asked a question on this forum a long time ago as to how I, as a mother/woman, can affirm our boys.  No-one seemed to know, or if they did, they said that my h should do the affirming as the father.  That doesn't sound right to me.  Girls definitely need affirmation from their father.  I can speak to this as a girl who was not affirmed by her father and who consequently went 'looking for love in all the wrong places'.  I don't want that to happen to our boys!

    So I should probably post this someplace else, but I was curious whether any tips were given for validating children.

    (I haven't mentioned tips for validating husbands, or validating husbands in general, because I do this just fine - according to my h.)

    For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself (Gal 5:14)
  •  05-22-2008, 8:08 AM 6384 in reply to 5815

    Re: Men and Affirmation

    JaneFW:
    I asked a question on this forum a long time ago as to how I, as a mother/woman, can affirm our boys.  No-one seemed to know, or if they did, they said that my h should do the affirming as the father.  That doesn't sound right to me.  Girls definitely need affirmation from their father.  I can speak to this as a girl who was not affirmed by her father and who consequently went 'looking for love in all the wrong places'.  I don't want that to happen to our boys!

    So I should probably post this someplace else, but I was curious whether any tips were given for validating children.

    (I haven't mentioned tips for validating husbands, or validating husbands in general, because I do this just fine - according to my h.)

     

    I know that my boys want to hear from their dad that he is proud of them...not just for their athletic abilities but for the people that they are (their character that leads them to the choices they make, the way they handled themselves in tough situations etc).  They need to hear it from their moms too.  Just recently, my oldest son had a disappointing thing happen.  I got so caught up in the "injustice" of it all, that I forgot something.  God called it to my attention in the middle of the night and I sent my son an email at school the next day telling him how proud I was of him that he made the team, regardless of which one.  I told him that I was proud to be the mom of a ____(insert said team), proud to be his mom, and proud to go to every game and cheer him on. I told him that he was the kind of boy that made it easy to be a proud momma. He thanked me that afternoon...HOURS after reading it...and told me it meant the world to read it and the only bad thing about it was it almost made him cry! LOL!

    I am HUGE on encouragement, so I think it is very important for either parent to catch them doing good..and then verbalizing how their actions, or heart has blessed you.  Kid do need to hear it from both parents.  As they get older and identify more with their same gender parent, I think they do need to hear it from them a bit more, BUT if the same gender parent isn't as validating, don't fret and fill in the gaps they may leave. Ü

    My dh isn't as quick to encourage, but he values my heart in this area and listens to me when I say to him 'He just needs to hear you say that he makes you proud'.  Or 'he just needs to know that you like spending time with him" Or 'his love (respect) language is....' and he acts on it.

    I don't know if this answered your question at all, Jane...sorry if not and it was just a rambling mess! ;P"


    2 Timothy 2:15
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
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