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  • Re: Come out of Babylon

    patrickmcb:I have recently finish a bible college class on the Book of Revelation.&nbsp; During the study and the discussion of Babylon the Lord shows me how pervasive pagan idolatry is and how permissive the Christian community is about it.&nbsp; As today is Halloween and it is open season on Christmas, I am troubled by the coming holidays.God's ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on November 7, 2009
  • Re: "Quicken"

    I've used Quicken since the early/mid 1990s.&nbsp; At first, everything was self entered.&nbsp; That seemed to work best. As it became internet enabled, and tried to do so much more, down load transactions, etc, it seems like it's not as good.&nbsp; Perhaps it's just my frustration that it promises to be more easy than it is sometimes.I use Quicken
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on November 6, 2009
  • Re: on the brink of divorce and I can't blame him for it.

    c816:Four years ago I married my husband and as I walked down the aisle I had doubts. Part of me wanted to run the other direction, part wanted to keep o going, another thought 'hey there is always divorce.' In the first couple weeks of our marriage I was unfaithful, and a couple months later I found out I was pregant. I can not be 100% sure that ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on November 6, 2009
  • Re: Actions: guided from Thinking, or Feeling

    I found one example from over a year ago:http://communities.kintera.org/FAMILYLIFEBLOG/forums/post/13501.aspxIn the following thread:http://communities.kintera.org/FAMILYLIFEBLOG/forums/6/13501/ShowThread.aspxNot ONE comment about what I said, which was essentially the same thing.
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on August 12, 2009
  • Re: Actions: guided from Thinking, or Feeling

    I'm sure I could find several posts I've made here that essentially say the same thing. For a while, my signature even said to the effect that God is concerned about our Holiness, not our Happiness.But it seems many/most came back with reasons that happiness was important, or how one shouldn't have to be miserable in some circumstance, so their ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on August 12, 2009
  • Re: Should a Christian ever advise someone that they should divorce?

    CalvinHobbs: Concerning the rules of church discipline ..... I've found it to be true that when someone lodges an accusation against someone else in a church ..... especially in marriage disputes ..... they insist that the church instantly drop everything and treat their case ''special'' regardless of every other duty a pastor has.&nbsp; If the ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on August 7, 2009
  • Re: Domestic Violence

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say MOST of the time, in our discussions, DV is IRRELEVANT.That doesn't diminish the experiences of those who've experienced it.&nbsp; But if I bring up the topic of NFD, and cite that in MOST cases, the person choosing the NFD has neither been abused, nor betrayed, and suggest that we do away with NFD for these ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 23, 2009
  • Re: Should a Christian ever advise someone that they should divorce?

    pooh girl: spare_parts: pooh girl: I had to run an errand at lunch to pick up some things for mother which was little unfortunate today, since some guy bumped my car and drove away.&nbsp; Anyway while I was in the car I was listening to the radio and a caller had separated from her spouse.&nbsp; She said she stopped going to her previous church, ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 22, 2009
  • Re: Should a Christian ever advise someone that they should divorce?

    pooh girl:I had to run an errand at lunch to pick up some things for mother which was little unfortunate today, since some guy bumped my car and drove away.&nbsp; Anyway while I was in the car I was listening to the radio and a caller had separated from her spouse.&nbsp; She said she stopped going to her previous church, because people were not ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 22, 2009
  • Re: Perfect Discernment

    In other words, what many would like say is their gift of discernment is nothing more than the newly coined spiritual gift of assumption.
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 22, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    Have a great weekend dallas, me and my moron family have plans.&nbsp; I forget, are we morons for choosing such a vow and/or a pre-nup or morons for suggesting it, or is my wife a moron for agreeing with me, or what?I feel the Christian love sister, or at least I think I do.&nbsp; However, since you all but called me and my wife a moron, regardless
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple:OH O&gt;K I get it..its not enforcable by law..So YEAH go&nbsp; for it! &nbsp; Love DallasI think you do, but the term law is vague, so let me clarify if I may.It would be law as in the covenant marriage laws would protect covenant marriages.However, legally speaking, a couple could choose either a covenant marriage, with the ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives: divorce in church: But you dont have to ''subscribe'' to the law. It is what it is. Do you ''subscribe'' that murder is illegal? Do you ''subscribe'' that you cannot drink and drive? NO. Its the law. &nbsp;I think someone should tell you DiC, Spare's plan is not a law.&nbsp; It's simpley Spare's plan. &nbsp; It is my ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    Dallas, Will you show me in scripture where God gives his blessing to a spouse who chooses to leave a marriage to find happiness?I know there are passages where God ''allows'' (not requires, but allows) divorce in the case of adultery.&nbsp; There is also the instruction to allow the unbelieving spouse who wishes to go, to leave.However, that is ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    I don't claim to know the hearts of anyone.I do know that Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell everything, give it away and follow Him.So I see an application to pledging your assets to the family, reliquishing any personal ownership to any assets.I also understand how difficult such a decision might be, can you really trust that person, not ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple:Well then since its about''God and marriage'' seems you shoudl be putting all your effort into keeping your second marriage alive.Maybe you should get ''Power of the Praying Husband'' to ensure the best possilbe chance you dont have two women walk out the door on you even though you are the perfect father and husbnad. Instead of ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple: BcauseHeLives: spare_parts:But since it would be freely taken, it's not vengance, but an agreed upon, and clearly understood consequence for breaking or abandoning their vow. Agreed.&nbsp; If it is a choice made by both parties before marriage, it is not vengeful.&nbsp; If you HAVE to make that promise up front what exactly are
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives: spare_parts:But since it would be freely taken, it's not vengance, but an agreed upon, and clearly understood consequence for breaking or abandoning their vow. Agreed.&nbsp; If it is a choice made by both parties before marriage, it is not vengeful.&nbsp; Personally, since God said marriage was intended to be until death, and ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple:The CONCEPT is VENGEFUL and OPPRESSIVE.. Thanks to the fact we enjoy the PRIVELEDGES of liviing in a FREE world..These COCEPTS will NEVER be put into LAW! You can NOT punish punitavely an individual who doesnt want to stay married.PERIOD. MOVE to IRAN!!!!!!! Love DallasDallas, what part of choice do you fail to understand.The vow ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives:Spare, I just don't think this is going to help the root of the divorce problem.&nbsp; But that's just me.&nbsp; Maybe it will, maybe it won't.&nbsp; However, I'd like to have the option where both husband and wife can make such a vow and it be enforced nationwide.Pastors could choose to only marry those who would take the Covenant ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives:Okay I can take the time to re-read what Spare is saying, but I believe he's saying if a person divorces through&nbsp;NFD then they should leave w/nothing.&nbsp; That means staples, that means, a roof over their head, that means boats, cars, etc, etc,.&nbsp; All of it. It sounds very vengeful to me. If it were being done TO them, ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    92:Be honest Spare. I am being honest.&nbsp; If you refuse to believe me, then at least offer me the benefit of your doubt.&nbsp; I know my motives much better than you.&nbsp; So you are not in any sort of position to question my honesty with respect to this matter.If I say it's gender neutral, not about punishment, but minimizing the impact on ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple: divorce in church: Why would the government want to take revenge on a divorcing spouse? You miss the entire twosidedness of this and can only see it from the YOU VIEW. If there is a law, that applies equally to ANYONE and EVERYONE, and requires ZERO ACTION from the couple for it to be in effect.....how please explain can it be ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    92:It seems to me that some men want women to leave the marriage penniless if they initiate a ''frivolous'' divorce because it gives the man CONTROL over the situation. Nice spin.&nbsp; Since any law would be both gender neutral and also allow any victims of abuse and or infidelity not suffer with regards to finances and custody of children, I ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives:I'm not trying to stir up a debate here.&nbsp; I'm just sharing my thoughts on this subject. I understand Spare's suggestion...as I said.&nbsp; To change the law so that the one who leaves, leaves with nothing. Since the point is in strengthening marriages &amp; lowering the divorce rate, do you honestly think that a law like this ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives: SeekingHisPeace: BcauseHeLives: I was very touched &amp; very inspired by TDH's response to his wife's filing of divorce.&nbsp; He didn't worry about the ''stuff'' he was more concerned about her &amp; her spiritual health. I remember people telling him to get a lawyer &amp; fight for his money, home, etc, etc.&nbsp; He didn't ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 17, 2009
  • Re: The Two Hour Movie

    Holten: divorce in church: Agree, disagree, root for, root against, thats not part of my point here. Again, like the programs or not....doesnt anyone think its a bit much? Its too much for any man, I dont care if he has Solomon like wisdom...its TOO MUCH...and it looks like some kind of dorm room late night lets fix the world over pizza and ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BerthaAgain: spare_parts: BerthaAgain: QUOTE&nbsp; '' I think I do know something that is NOT the answer...and that is any inference, threat, mention, hint, whatever or separation or divorce IF, as you say, healing the marriage is the goal. It NEVER works that way.''&nbsp; QUOTE You don't think it's EVER helpful to remove yourself, separate ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BerthaAgain: spare_parts:I just got back, so I'm catching up on my reading.I've not read everything yet.&nbsp; However, I still see you putting most of the blame on him.&nbsp; I see you say things that are like, ''He IS the problem.&nbsp; Sure, I have my faults too, but it's him who is the problem.''&nbsp; (A paraphrase)The problem with that ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    Dallas,So if I understand what you are saying, you are saying God's plan for marriage is sick.You see, God's plan for marriage is for folks to marry and remain married until one dies.Why are you against God's plan for marriage?&nbsp; Which is more important, that someone is happy, or that they obey God?Apparently, you are more concerned with ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple:COERSED to stay&nbsp;through THREAT . And DEBTS as well as assets should be shared.With the exception of college loans and any criminal fines. And YES you are ''forced'' to lose your spouse because PEOPLE are NOT your property through marriage.It is the INDIVIDUAL who is leaving you NOT the court system taking away your spouse.Your ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BerthaAgain:QUOTE&nbsp; '' I think I do know something that is NOT the answer...and that is any inference, threat, mention, hint, whatever or separation or divorce IF, as you say, healing the marriage is the goal. It NEVER works that way.''&nbsp; QUOTE You don't think it's EVER helpful to remove yourself, separate yourself, from a bad ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    I just got back, so I'm catching up on my reading.I've not read everything yet.&nbsp; However, I still see you putting most of the blame on him.&nbsp; I see you say things that are like, ''He IS the problem.&nbsp; Sure, I have my faults too, but it's him who is the problem.''&nbsp; (A paraphrase)The problem with that approach is you cannot change ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    Dallas,Please quote where I or anyone else has said someone should be forced to stay.I for one have said the exact opposite, over and over again.&nbsp; If someone wants to leave, one should let them go.I simply don't believe that person should take any marital assets or the children with them.My solution always allows the person who is dead set on ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 16, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BcauseHeLives: spare_parts: BcauseHeLives: I understand your thoughts spare &amp; I think you have some good thoughts on what you are saying.&nbsp; In fact I believe you &amp; dallas agree, but you're maybe a bit harsher in your responses. IOW, I think you are coming at this from her husband's perspective &amp; possibly trying to be a voice for ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    Holten: divorce in church:Um, yea....its not a gender issue...its a divorce issue I assume you're serious.&nbsp; Regardless, I agree with the statement. I think where ''he'' and ''she'' get used is irrelevant to what is right.&nbsp; The person who decides to abandon the marriage for purely personal reasons like their own ''happiness'' or to ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    dallasapple: spare_parts:She has done nothing but complain about her husband since she's arrived here.She gave an example where she sent the child to time-out when he had another idea.&nbsp; Instead of indicating that she was interested in that idea, she said, WTF, if I recall correctly.I get the impression he has some ideas that she dismisses, ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    But most divorces happen by year 7, not 18 to 20.&nbsp; As I've said before.&nbsp; I think those early divorces are typically the wife leaving.&nbsp; Later divorces are the ones chosen by men.The paper ''These boots were made for walking'' delved into that.&nbsp; Saying a primary indicator of choosing divorce was the relative benefit of ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: KING OF POP

    It was humor. I wasn't saying he was a word missing the ''o''However, I don't see how his work is any less pop missing an o than anything else mankind does.So yeah, we are the king of pop missing an o.&nbsp; The bible says so.&nbsp; Our righteousness is like filthy rags.We are not filthy rags, but our righteousness is.&nbsp; If we were filthy ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    She has done nothing but complain about her husband since she's arrived here.She gave an example where she sent the child to time-out when he had another idea.&nbsp; Instead of indicating that she was interested in that idea, she said, WTF, if I recall correctly.I get the impression he has some ideas that she dismisses, and he does have to endure ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BcauseHeLives:I understand your thoughts spare &amp; I think you have some good thoughts on what you are saying.&nbsp; In fact I believe you &amp; dallas agree, but you're maybe a bit harsher in your responses. IOW, I think you are coming at this from her husband's perspective &amp; possibly trying to be a voice for him.&nbsp; And that's not ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: told my H that I cannot live with him anymore

    BcauseHeLives:I understand your thoughts spare &amp; I think you have some good thoughts on what you are saying.&nbsp; In fact I believe you &amp; dallas agree, but you're maybe a bit harsher in your responses. IOW, I think you are coming at this from her husband's perspective &amp; possibly trying to be a voice for him.&nbsp; And that's not ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives: BcauseHeLives: Spare said this: Honest, that's what kind of thing.&nbsp; His wife just told him that she didn't want to live with him, and he is probably thinking the worst, that you'll run off and take 1/2 or more of everything he's earned for the family.&nbsp; You said it yourself, you don't have any money.&nbsp; So now he may ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    BcauseHeLives: spare_parts:I believe in the idea of ours as well.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is why I think one who leaves the oneness of marriage should be leaving the money that belonged to ''us.''Since he/she who is leaving is leaving the marriage, and the assets are marital assets, then they should be leaving the assets as well as the person.I'm not ...
    Posted to Family Forum (Forum) by spare_parts on July 15, 2009
  • Re: His Money/Her Money vs. OUR Money

    dallasapple: spare_parts: dallasapple: Also the i