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boatmen:

TD&H:

StillHopeful123:

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian?

Yep, not doubt about it...anyone that would cast a vote for Obama, is not a Christian per Biblical standards.  There are many that say they believe; but God does not know them.

 

Or at least your standards.

 

This is nothing more than blatant hatefulness for anyone who thinks differently and should be immediately condemed by anyone with even an ounce of compassion or love in their heart.

alrighty K, stay above the fray....stay neutral man, stay solid, stay cool, stay informed, stay down, its all good.

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Cool Im banned TOO.
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Many Christians are voting for Obama.  Abortion and gay marriage are not the issues.  It's the economy.  Plain and simple.  Even if Roe V Wade was overturned it would just go back to each state to decide.  And gay marriage?  Well, let's face it, what's really more important?  The economy or gay marriage? 

The bible mentions money and possessions more than 2000 times.  So, yes, the economy is more important.  If anyone has already said this then just ignore this.  I haven't read all the posts.  Jay Sekulow  has had many Christians call in to his show and state that they are tired and fed up with the economic direction of the U.S.  They feel that McCain is just another one of the good old boys. 

But I just can't vote for someone who has a muslim name, a muslim education and a muslim father. 

I will vote for the war hero.  Who is married to a hot blond!!

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Tech Harris:

But I just can't vote for someone who has a muslim name, a muslim education and a muslim father.

By way of comparison, Moses had an Egyptian name, an Egyptian education and was raised by Egyptian step-parents (in the court of Pharaoh, no less, who was revered as a god among his people).

Grand Illusion:

Tech Harris:

But I just can't vote for someone who has a muslim name, a muslim education and a muslim father.

By way of comparison, Moses had an Egyptian name, an Egyptian education and was raised by Egyptian step-parents (in the court of Pharaoh, no less, who was revered as a god among his people).

Ohhhh, but Moses had an indisputable meeting/experience with God Himself....and he was not unashamed to proclaim it.  And except for the incident with the striking the stone for water, was absolutely OBEDIENT to God....

I certainly would NOT compare Obama with Moses!

 

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"God is more interested in changing US than in changing our circumstances. If we allow God to change us, then He'll guide us in how to change our circumstances."

If we "deserved it", it would not be "MERCY".

bestofky:

Grand Illusion:

Tech Harris:

But I just can't vote for someone who has a muslim name, a muslim education and a muslim father.

By way of comparison, Moses had an Egyptian name, an Egyptian education and was raised by Egyptian step-parents (in the court of Pharaoh, no less, who was revered as a god among his people).

Ohhhh, but Moses had an indisputable meeting/experience with God Himself....and he was not ashamed to proclaim it.  And except for the incident with the striking the stone for water, was absolutely OBEDIENT to God....

I certainly would NOT compare Obama with Moses!

 

Ooops....I used a "double negative" which of course was NOT intentional! 

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"God is more interested in changing US than in changing our circumstances. If we allow God to change us, then He'll guide us in how to change our circumstances."

If we "deserved it", it would not be "MERCY".

Holten:

Just curious - from a "help those in need" and "give sacrificially" perspective, how do you reconcile a Republican position (on social programs, taxes, support for corporations, etc) any moreso than a Democrat position?

In a million years I would have never assumed that helping those in need and giving sacrificially is a call to the activities of government! I believe individually as Christians, we are called to help those in need (food banks, shelters, adoption, etc) and give of ourselves sacrificially. It would be in our best interest for the government to quit stealing our money to help those that MAY be in need so that we can keep more of what we earn. Giving us the ability to truly help those in need.

What makes you think the Bible says that social programs should come from the government?

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boatmen:

TD&H:

StillHopeful123:

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian?

Yep, not doubt about it...anyone that would cast a vote for Obama, is not a Christian per Biblical standards.  There are many that say they believe; but God does not know them.

 

Or at least your standards.

 

This is nothing more than blatant hatefulness for anyone who thinks differently and should be immediately condemed by anyone with even an ounce of compassion or love in their heart.

alrighty K, stay above the fray....stay neutral man, stay solid, stay cool, stay informed, stay down, its all good.

 

Somehow it doesn't surprise me to read this.  If the statement were made that "anyone who would cast a vote for McCain isn't a Christian per Biblical standards" you'd have a fit.  But because they hate Obama, rather than like McCain, you'll give setting up additional requirements for being a Christian a pass.  A definite Biblical no no.

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"Tech Harris"

Many Christians are voting for Obama.  Abortion and gay marriage are not the issues.  It's the economy.  Plain and simple.  Even if Roe V Wade was overturned it would just go back to each state to decide.  And gay marriage?  Well, let's face it, what's really more important?  The economy or gay marriage? 

All of the above

The bible mentions money and possessions more than 2000 times.  So, yes, the economy is more important.  If anyone has already said this then just ignore this.  I haven't read all the posts.  Jay Sekulow  has had many Christians call in to his show and state that they are tired and fed up with the economic direction of the U.S.  They feel that McCain is just another one of the good old boys. 

yes, and the majority of those verses talk about not worshiping money or possessions and not putting our faith in them, but to manage what GOD has provided wisely, and those in the government can't be trusted to do that, no matter what 'political party' and yet, here we are, many people voting for them to take more away from them, and then complain they don't have any money, or complain the government isn't doing enough for THEM!! Well, the truth is, the government can't, if it could, every single person would get the exact same amount, and they would have to spend the exact same amount on every single person or someone would start complaining IT'S NOT FAIR!! They got more than we did..

So no, that is not voting wisely, or Biblical, God has provided you and me and others with the money, and many are willingly wanting to hand it over to the government to do what God has called HIS CHURCH to do, care for the poor, the sick and the needy. But they fail to do so, why? Because they like everyone else have stopped Trusting GOD To provide.

And as long as people are willing to hand more of their money that God has provided to them,  over to the government, then things will remain as they are, the Church will remain impotent to helping the poor/sick/needy and the government will become even more impotent trying to help all the poor/sick/needy and nobody wins.

When people get to keep their money and spend and give it the way they want, and many Christians WANT to give more to their church, even wealthy Christians, but many give off the after tax income, so many give less to the church, because they know the government is going to give the rest of it to the poor/sick/needy. (and yes, there really are some folks who think that way).

So telling the government to take more of our money that God has provided for us to care for HIS people, or take more of someone elses money who happens to make more than we do, to give it to someone else; is not Biblical.

At least not from what I read in scriptures.

reagtay:

Holten:

Just curious - from a "help those in need" and "give sacrificially" perspective, how do you reconcile a Republican position (on social programs, taxes, support for corporations, etc) any moreso than a Democrat position?

In a million years I would have never assumed that helping those in need and giving sacrificially is a call to the activities of government! I believe individually as Christians, we are called to help those in need (food banks, shelters, adoption, etc) and give of ourselves sacrificially. It would be in our best interest for the government to quit stealing our money to help those that MAY be in need so that we can keep more of what we earn. Giving us the ability to truly help those in need.

What makes you think the Bible says that social programs should come from the government?

 

How many children should we let the church starve to death before we act?

 

I said it before and I'll say it again and again.  IF the church would give the way it's supposed to, it'd put govt welfare out of business.

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boatmen:

 

How many children should we let the church starve to death before we act?

 

 

 

The church is starving children? C'mon! I does get me thinking though. I think I am going to do some research and compare the long term results of government "programs" and the long term results of Christian organizations.

Ive already said I am not standing in judgement about politics and faith. But I have to add, some democrat was very clever to start this mantra about money being mentioned so many times. My first reaction to that is, SO? Lets see , lets take the things of the Bible...lets start with LOVE. There is little more that brings love bubbling to the surface like the sights and sounds of newborn babies. Since we are designed by God to propogate the species, AND the mere existence of a baby brings forth outpourings of love....I can easily make the case that love and its inverse relationship to the snuffing of the innocent trumps every "social program" there is. Honestly I cant even believe we would have this convertsation....which again, doesnt mean I see it as a Biblical no brainer who you vote for...it means that as a reason, it pains me to see Christians saying that because money is "mentioned" in the Word....that were are to be about money.....

That money is mentioned is about charity anyway, shall we be about charity?
And to call taxation being selfless is twisted logic to the extreme. Selfless is ME GIVING to the poor. Not me giving YOUR money...sheesh its so obvious that only a salesman like Clinton or Obama could sell otherwise.

And the hypocrisy of it screams! Look at the generosity of your heroes dem. voters! They have none with their own money.
Look at the states where they set it up so you can send MORE to the government...you know, kinda like a donation to the state.....in a year they collect less than $1000.00.

I have a question....is it about fixing the ecomony....or is it about taxation...the two are on utter disconnect. EVERYONE, including Obamas coveted Buffet says you dont raise taxes in recession. Couples with the fact that LOWER taxes yield more money to the treasury....its mental gymnastics you have to be going through to get where EITHER you are fixing the economy OR helping people.

Not once here on this board has anyone refuted the fact that income to the treasury goes UP when certain taxes go down. Why? It scrambles a worldview that is built of wealth redistribution. NEVER has there been a program cut....not once, yet to hear dems you'd think we were running up grabbing food from the mouths of starving children.

Trickle down is a terrible term. A rising tide lifts all boats. Our economy is not a pie, that I get a big piece doesnt mean someone gets a little piece. It amazes me to listen to people talk about the "policies of the last 8 years"....first, the last 2 are dem policies, second in the first 6 there was an attack and 2 wars...but please, dont let facts get lose in your thinking, they break things like preconceived notions.

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Cool Im banned TOO.
Enjoy it Holten and Company!

ust curious - from a "help those in need" and "give sacrificially" perspective, how do you reconcile a Republican position (on social programs, taxes, support for corporations, etc) any moreso than a Democrat position?

Holten...what is the Republican position?
What is the Democrat position?

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Cool Im banned TOO.
Enjoy it Holten and Company!

Grand Illusion:

Tech Harris:

But I just can't vote for someone who has a muslim name, a muslim education and a muslim father.

By way of comparison, Moses had an Egyptian name, an Egyptian education and was raised by Egyptian step-parents (in the court of Pharaoh, no less, who was revered as a god among his people).

Uh-huh.  Whatever.  As if that has anything to do with this election.  There will be many voters who at the last minute will find that they just can't vote for Obama.  When they are polled they say they are voting for Obama.  But when it comes down to it many will change their mind.

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reagtay:

What makes you think the Bible says that social programs should come from the government?

I never said I think the Bible says that social programs should come from the Government.

A great many things come from 'the Government' that do not come from the bible.  And those things are not limited to one party.  People are rather selective when they 'notice' which things.

Would that it were that all Followers of Christ gave sacrificially and loved selflessly to the point that all governmental social programs were unnecessary....  if only all those who lay claim to "Christian" lived their life even modestly towards that end.

Is it safe to assume that you are similarly opposed to any and all government-provided assistance, across the board, because it isn't biblical?  For example, Federal or State assistance to victims of natural disasters?  Medical programs for senior citizens?  WIC?  The Small Business Administration?  Are you taking a *consistent* stand against such government aid, or are you being selective?

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