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Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

 

You will hear lots of answers. I tend to agree with you, but this election in particular I am seeing more and more and more Christians setting aside various things...not just abortion...to rationalize on economic things. Obama wont benefit anyone financially. he will be unable to deliver on a tax cut...just as Clinton promised a tax cut then suddenly, oops, he got elected and said he found a worse budget than he thought and he'd have to back out of that promise. Thinsg are obviously worse now....so i'd expect that this will be the case. Everyone pretty much agrees you dont raise taxes in a slump, and that was how he said he would pay for his tax cuts. So, expect tax status quo.

On the "eternal" issues.....there are hosts of reasons different folsk set them aside.

Some say "pro-life doesnt stop at birth"...i dont get that one, but its been said here.
Some say "republicans talk about abortion...then do nothing".....funny thing about that claim is even obama said last night that row v wade "stands in the balance" if he loses the election...sounds like at least HE thinks republicans are doing something
Some say they "prioritize" the Christian aspects of the candidates...well, we all do that I guess so nothing wrong there.
Some say they are pro-life, but STILL say its between the woman and God

There are tons of reasons, but , right or wrong..thats up to DGod to sort out,,,Ive never seen the kind of Christian support for a liberal candidate like this one before.

Track the church's of Europe, as they progressed along with the governments. Less than 2% of the people go i think it is. Is this trend the beginning of a totally secular society? Maybe.

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StillHopeful123:

Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

I'll answer in a very general, neutral way.  Your statements make several assumptions:

1) That sanctity of human life and marriage are the issues that are most important to God.
2) That a vote for Obama is a vote against those things.

Not all Christians make those same assumptions.

StillHopeful123:

Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?

That's interesting, given the Bible talks more about money than any other subject other than the Kingdom of God.  How do you support the assertion that "Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage" are "more important to God"?? 

That isn't a rhetorical question...  I'd really like to know.  Your post assumes matter of factly that those things (and apparently some others) are more important to God than anything financial - so I'd like to hear your basis for that. 

Just curious - from a "help those in need" and "give sacrificially" perspective, how do you reconcile a Republican position (on social programs, taxes, support for corporations, etc) any moreso than a Democrat position?

You'd be wrong if you think me asking these questions is a sign of support for Obama and disdain for McCain.  Rather, it is exactly as I've said - I'd like to hear your support for your assertions.

StillHopeful123:

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

So you think that how you vote in this election is going to be high on God's list of things for which you're held accountable?

Will it be higher than, say, your history of tithing to your local church?  Will it be higher than the extent to which you gave sacrificially beyond the tithe?  Will it be higher than whether you had and lived a life of having a servant heart towards people?

Finally, again just for understanding your basis for your assertions:  How can a pro-McCain vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards?  And, which biblical standards apply - are most important - when answering that question for EITHER candidate?

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Grand Illusion:

Your statements make several assumptions:

1) That sanctity of human life and marriage are the issues that are most important to God.
2) That a vote for Obama is a vote against those things.

Not all Christians make those same assumptions.

Oh.. you're gonna get it now.  Can't wait for the arguments that you can't be a good Christian and NOT make those assumptions (just as the original post implies)... in fact, they aren't assumptions.. they are 'fact'. 

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Grand Illusion:

StillHopeful123:

Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

I'll answer in a very general, neutral way.  Your statements make several assumptions:

1) That sanctity of human life and marriage are the issues that are most important to God.
2) That a vote for Obama is a vote against those things.

Not all Christians make those same assumptions.

 

Grand Illusion,

Thank you for your reply.

Just a quick correction--I did not say that sanctity of human life and marriage are issues that are most important to God. Only God knows what issues are most important. My guess would be our salvation. What I did say was that out of a plethora of issues presented by the candidates, those two are more important to God than, for instance, finances, environment, education, and energy.

As to your point number two, it is not an assumption that a vote for Obama would be against those things. Obama has repeatedly stated that he is bro-abortion, and that he does not believe that marriage is reserved for one man and one woman.

Again, thank you for your post.

Personally,  I don't believe people who are voting for Obama have God in mind they have something else in mind.

One perfect example of that is the fact that there is alot of excitement and noise from the supporters for Obama the man they admire, but a total dead silence for what God opposes and calls wrong.

As a conservative McCain or no McCain, Huckabee or no Huckabee, presidential election or no presidential election people of true conviction don't change, they stand and they fight all along the way.  A stand for what's right is far greater than any candidate will ever be.

We can only have one master and if the Lord God is our master then we would hope to hear a voice for what's right in God's eyes rise far, far above any candidate. 

Choose you this day who you will serve, that's what comes down too.

 

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StillHopeful123:

Grand Illusion,

Thank you for your reply.

Just a quick correction--I did not say that sanctity of human life and marriage are issues that are most important to God. Only God knows what issues are most important. My guess would be our salvation. What I did say was that out of a plethora of issues presented by the candidates, those two are more important to God than, for instance, finances, environment, education, and energy.

As to your point number two, it is not an assumption that a vote for Obama would be against those things. Obama has repeatedly stated that he is bro-abortion, and that he does not believe that marriage is reserved for one man and one woman.

Again, thank you for your post.

On the first point, I should not have used the word "most" because looking back to your post, you used the word "more" not "most."  However, it is still an assumption...as you say, only God truly knows what issues are "more" important.  For example, some would say that the environment is more important to God than abortion because it affects all of us, not just the unborn.

On the second point, just because Obama is against certain things, that doesn't mean that voting for him is a vote patently against those things. Somebody could vote for Obama (to fix the nation's economy) and vote for pro-life, pro-marriage senators, mayors, representatives, etc. (to fix marriage and abortion issues).

StillHopeful123:

 When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

Do you have any idea the significance of that question you just raised is and should be to every christian?

I think it's the question most relevant.

 

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No party has a direct link to the "good". Thats a given. I can't set up Gods priority list anymore than anyone else. We'll never know.

What i do know is that not being born is a permanent condition. Its not "harmful", its not comparative....no baby "involved" in abortion comes out ahead, they do not get a vote even on those pesky things like the economy, the environment, those things we wrestle and wrangle about that we use to set aside the vote of the unborn.....while railing about "voters rights". The ultimate voters rights issue is abortion. The person who gets no vote is the person impacted the very most.

That means that "life" is only a part of the abortion issue. Lets not say that those kids are one issue...they are EVERY issue, they would be adults, they would live in the environment, and be part of the economy. See, our vote may have "an effect" on the economy....it may have "an effect" on the environment.....but does it sound right to say that abortion has "an effect" on the unborn?

I am not going to sit and say God will harshly judge someone for voting a certain way. I cannot say that....no one can. But the number of times its mentioned in the Bible is pretty much not going to determine for me the relative priority of a human life vs the economy. And before you even react Holten, if you didnt want that comment made, why make that comment? If I missed the point, Okay, then what IS the point?

This election has gone a way that no other election in my life has. FIRST folks chose the candidate...Obama,,,,,THEN they went to work deciding why. That has proven to set up insurmountable barriers to changing any minds.

The man said virtually nothing tangible or of import prior to this spring. When he did venture to specifics, he placed foot on mouth. Hillary absolutely overshadowed him on everything. Yet he won. NOW we hear the specifics.....and they do not matter.

For example, not everyone openly agrees with the concept of spread the wealth around. In fact, libs would typically RUN from that. yet this guy says it, and no problem. Is it that libs are finally admitting socialist tendecies, or is it that they simply do not care....its Obama or bust.

In any case, I happen to believe it does matter, regarding our faith and our votes, but Im not comfortable flat out judging anyone about it. I do wish our preachers were not restrained by the tax code....it would change a lot. Either membership in churches would plummet, or the face of Christian voters would change.

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Dic,

You said it much better than I did or have previously, perhaps.  Maybe I could just follow behind you in the political type threads and just key in "ditto" to what dic just said.   :)

God Bless, pooh 

 

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StillHopeful123:

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian?

Yep, not doubt about it...anyone that would cast a vote for Obama, is not a Christian per Biblical standards.  There are many that say they believe; but God does not know them.

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"Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian?"

 

No.

 

But then I won't be voting for Obama anyway. lol

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StillHopeful123:

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian?

Yep, not doubt about it...anyone that would cast a vote for Obama, is not a Christian per Biblical standards.  There are many that say they believe; but God does not know them.

 

Or at least your standards.

 

This is nothing more than blatant hatefulness for anyone who thinks differently and should be immediately condemed by anyone with even an ounce of compassion or love in their heart.

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StillHopeful123:

Grand Illusion:

StillHopeful123:

Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?

Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?

 Something to seriously think about.

I'll answer in a very general, neutral way.  Your statements make several assumptions:

1) That sanctity of human life and marriage are the issues that are most important to God.
2) That a vote for Obama is a vote against those things.

Not all Christians make those same assumptions.

 

Grand Illusion,

Thank you for your reply.

Just a quick correction--I did not say that sanctity of human life and marriage are issues that are most important to God. Only God knows what issues are most important. My guess would be our salvation. What I did say was that out of a plethora of issues presented by the candidates, those two are more important to God than, for instance, finances, environment, education, and energy.

As to your point number two, it is not an assumption that a vote for Obama would be against those things. Obama has repeatedly stated that he is bro-abortion, and that he does not believe that marriage is reserved for one man and one woman.

Again, thank you for your post.

 

Actually if you read the title.... you did indeed say "most important". 

 

It may be most important to you.

 

It may not be to God.

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