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How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

Last post 12-08-2008, 2:37 PM by chaz345. 1126 replies.
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  •  11-26-2008, 9:08 AM 35334 in reply to 35317

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    pyhiG:
    We should not talk this way as fellow believers.  We are to encourage one another.  Not attack each other.

    Thank you, precisely the point of the thread.  Right-wing extremists are having apolexy Obama was elected because they know it was McCain's pandering to them which led to his rejection.  As a result they have not acted in a Christian manner toward Mr. Obama and have whined and lied.  Others who disagree get the usual "blame the messenger" attacks.  It's part of the drill. 

  •  11-26-2008, 9:09 AM 35335 in reply to 35310

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    chaz345:
    Am I the only one who finds Tubal/Lynn/whoever's referring to another poster as a demon or as Satan to be more than a little over the top?

    Maybe even more out of touch with reality than  calling FoTF one of the most evil organizations ever conceived.

    You don't know what irony is, right?

     

  •  11-26-2008, 9:10 AM 35336 in reply to 35331

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Hot Ice:

    let's not assume as to what's in the hearts of those working at those clinics--we can't possibly know that:  We're NOT GOD.



    A point that Tubalcain regularly seems to forget when making bold pronouncements about the evil motivations of those that disagree with him/her.

    LOL!  Pot calling the kettle black there.  Chaz's argument consists of nothing but questioning the motives of the other side because of the humongous chip on his shoulder.


    I'm not questioning your motives in the least with the above statement,simply pointing out the undeniable fact that you regularly make statements that can only be made by massive assumption or by pretending to be God.

    If I were speculating as to WHY you did what you did, then you;d have a point. As usual,you don't. 


    Care to try to show me where I've stated, in anything approaching the absolute terms you use, what is in another person's heart?

    Right here in this post.   


    ????

    How does anything I say in this post say anything about what is in your heart or your motivations for what you do? Or how does it assign evil intent to what you do? Where have I stated opinion as absolute fact as you so often do?

    You really are going to need more specific.

    I don't "need" to do anything, Shorty.



    Then you will continue to be perceived as you are which is basically as a troll.

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 9:12 AM 35337 in reply to 35333

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    I'd like to point out that when I mentioned the similarities between Tubal and TexasLynn, I accused nobody of anything. I merely stated a belief and pointed out my reasons for that belief. I do find it interesting that it was immediately perceived by them as an accusation and met with an immediate "counterattack". IMO that's the expected reaction from one who is actually being deceptive.


    This is why I try to exclude those who can't assess evidence and logic from juries.

    By Chaz's "reasoning" since Bill is a German Shepherd and bill is a dog, therefore all dogs are German Shepherds.

     



    Not even close.

    More like my experience with one dog has lead me to believe that another dog acting in a strange and almost identical way might in fact be the same dog.

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 9:15 AM 35338 in reply to 35335

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    Am I the only one who finds Tubal/Lynn/whoever's referring to another poster as a demon or as Satan to be more than a little over the top?

    Maybe even more out of touch with reality than  calling FoTF one of the most evil organizations ever conceived.

    You don't know what irony is, right?

     


    What statements have I made,  stated as fact like you so often  do,  that are similarly out of touch with reality?

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 9:27 AM 35339 in reply to 35334

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:

    pyhiG:
    We should not talk this way as fellow believers.  We are to encourage one another.  Not attack each other.

    Thank you, precisely the point of the thread.  Right-wing extremists are having apolexy Obama was elected because they know it was McCain's pandering to them which led to his rejection.  As a result they have not acted in a Christian manner toward Mr. Obama and have whined and lied.  Others who disagree get the usual "blame the messenger" attacks.  It's part of the drill. 

    Nice encouragement Lynn (oh brother, eyes rolling)...

    Show me one sentence in this entire thread where you (Lynn) encouraged anyone!


    Utah Utes...Only Undefeated Team in D1
    13-0 = With a BCS Bowl win
    No one else can claim that achievment
  •  11-26-2008, 9:29 AM 35340 in reply to 35339

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    TD&H:
    Tubalcain:

    pyhiG:
    We should not talk this way as fellow believers.  We are to encourage one another.  Not attack each other.

    Thank you, precisely the point of the thread.  Right-wing extremists are having apolexy Obama was elected because they know it was McCain's pandering to them which led to his rejection.  As a result they have not acted in a Christian manner toward Mr. Obama and have whined and lied.  Others who disagree get the usual "blame the messenger" attacks.  It's part of the drill. 

    Nice encouragement Lynn (oh brother, eyes rolling)...

    Show me one sentence in this entire thread where you (Lynn) encouraged anyone!


    Let's expand it a little. How about one sentence in ANY of his/her posts on this board?

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 12:23 PM 35355 in reply to 35336

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Hot Ice:

    let's not assume as to what's in the hearts of those working at those clinics--we can't possibly know that:  We're NOT GOD.



    A point that Tubalcain regularly seems to forget when making bold pronouncements about the evil motivations of those that disagree with him/her.

    LOL!  Pot calling the kettle black there.  Chaz's argument consists of nothing but questioning the motives of the other side because of the humongous chip on his shoulder.


    I'm not questioning your motives in the least with the above statement,simply pointing out the undeniable fact that you regularly make statements that can only be made by massive assumption or by pretending to be God.

    If I were speculating as to WHY you did what you did, then you;d have a point. As usual,you don't. 


    Care to try to show me where I've stated, in anything approaching the absolute terms you use, what is in another person's heart?

    Right here in this post.   


    ????

    How does anything I say in this post say anything about what is in your heart or your motivations for what you do? Or how does it assign evil intent to what you do? Where have I stated opinion as absolute fact as you so often do?

    You really are going to need more specific.

    I don't "need" to do anything, Shorty.



    Then you will continue to be perceived as you are which is basically as a troll.

    Do you really think I care what someone so uninformed about the issues and unskilled at debate as you thinks? 

    The first one to call another 'troll" is the real troll.  You just can't handle opposing views.

  •  11-26-2008, 12:24 PM 35356 in reply to 35337

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    I'd like to point out that when I mentioned the similarities between Tubal and TexasLynn, I accused nobody of anything. I merely stated a belief and pointed out my reasons for that belief. I do find it interesting that it was immediately perceived by them as an accusation and met with an immediate "counterattack". IMO that's the expected reaction from one who is actually being deceptive.


    This is why I try to exclude those who can't assess evidence and logic from juries.

    By Chaz's "reasoning" since Bill is a German Shepherd and bill is a dog, therefore all dogs are German Shepherds.

     



    Not even close.

    More like my experience with one dog has lead me to believe that another dog acting in a strange and almost identical way might in fact be the same dog.

    You wouldn't do well in the livestock business.

  •  11-26-2008, 12:26 PM 35357 in reply to 35338

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    Am I the only one who finds Tubal/Lynn/whoever's referring to another poster as a demon or as Satan to be more than a little over the top?

    Maybe even more out of touch with reality than  calling FoTF one of the most evil organizations ever conceived.

    You don't know what irony is, right?

     


    What statements have I made,  stated as fact like you so often  do,  that are similarly out of touch with reality?

    This silly business of deciding I'm this other person sure suffices, but your buddy TDH has swallowed itm which doesn't say much about her.  Go ahead and think what you want to think.  Whether I'm me or some 3-eyed alien from the Planet Bismoll you still can't debate me or anyone else.

  •  11-26-2008, 12:29 PM 35358 in reply to 35339

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    TD&H:
    Tubalcain:

    pyhiG:
    We should not talk this way as fellow believers.  We are to encourage one another.  Not attack each other.

    Thank you, precisely the point of the thread.  Right-wing extremists are having apolexy Obama was elected because they know it was McCain's pandering to them which led to his rejection.  As a result they have not acted in a Christian manner toward Mr. Obama and have whined and lied.  Others who disagree get the usual "blame the messenger" attacks.  It's part of the drill. 

    Nice encouragement Lynn (oh brother, eyes rolling)...

    Show me one sentence in this entire thread where you (Lynn) encouraged anyone!

    Call me whatever you like.  It won't mask your inability to make a cogent point. 

    BTW, how do you get along with the Mormons in Salt Lake?  Or are you The Brethren's agent here?

  •  11-26-2008, 12:44 PM 35361 in reply to 35357

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    Am I the only one who finds Tubal/Lynn/whoever's referring to another poster as a demon or as Satan to be more than a little over the top?

    Maybe even more out of touch with reality than  calling FoTF one of the most evil organizations ever conceived.

    You don't know what irony is, right?

     


    What statements have I made,  stated as fact like you so often  do,  that are similarly out of touch with reality?

    This silly business of deciding I'm this other person sure suffices, but your buddy TDH has swallowed itm which doesn't say much about her.  Go ahead and think what you want to think.  Whether I'm me or some 3-eyed alien from the Planet Bismoll you still can't debate me or anyone else.



    So far in your time here you haven't made a single statement that is in the slightest bit debatable, just your own opinions stated as absolute fact.  And for a lawyer you sure do a lousy job at presenting any sort of evidence to back your so called points.

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 12:46 PM 35362 in reply to 35357

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:

    chaz345:
    Am I the only one who finds Tubal/Lynn/whoever's referring to another poster as a demon or as Satan to be more than a little over the top?

    Maybe even more out of touch with reality than  calling FoTF one of the most evil organizations ever conceived.

    You don't know what irony is, right?

     


    What statements have I made,  stated as fact like you so often  do,  that are similarly out of touch with reality?

    This silly business of deciding I'm this other person sure suffices, but your buddy TDH has swallowed itm which doesn't say much about her.  Go ahead and think what you want to think.  Whether I'm me or some 3-eyed alien from the Planet Bismoll you still can't debate me or anyone else.



    There is a HUGE difference between stating my opinion that you are someone else, clearly qualified as my opinion and accompanied by my reasons for my belief, and what you do which is simply state your opinion as fact and provide less than nothing about what you base that opinion on.

    Chaz345
  •  11-26-2008, 1:45 PM 35364 in reply to 35358

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:
    BTW, how do you get along with the Mormons in Salt Lake?  Or are you The Brethren's agent here?

    I do not agree with the LDS.  I like Bud Light (smile)!

    I belong to Grace Community Bible Church...and, the only one I am an agent for is Jesus Christ.  I am what I am because of the grace God has given me through His Son.

    If you would accept that grace; you could live at peace with your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.  Then you could give the glory to God; instead, you give the glory to you by argueing your worldly view...which is foolishness to God.

    Have a nice day Lynn...Happy Thanksgiving!


    Utah Utes...Only Undefeated Team in D1
    13-0 = With a BCS Bowl win
    No one else can claim that achievment
  •  11-26-2008, 2:26 PM 35365 in reply to 35355

    Re: How can a Christian cast a vote for a candidate whose stance on the most important moral issues is anti-God?

    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Tubalcain:
    chaz345:
    Hot Ice:

    let's not assume as to what's in the hearts of those working at those clinics--we can't possibly know that:  We're NOT GOD.



    A point that Tubalcain regularly seems to forget when making bold pronouncements about the evil motivations of those that disagree with him/her.

    LOL!  Pot calling the kettle black there.  Chaz's argument consists of nothing but questioning the motives of the other side because of the humongous chip on his shoulder.


    I'm not questioning your motives in the least with the above statement,simply pointing out the undeniable fact that you regularly make statements that can only be made by massive assumption or by pretending to be God.

    If I were speculating as to WHY you did what you did, then you;d have a point. As usual,you don't. 


    Care to try to show me where I've stated, in anything approaching the absolute terms you use, what is in another person's heart?

    Right here in this post.   


    ????

    How does anything I say in this post say anything about what is in your heart or your motivations for what you do? Or how does it assign evil intent to what you do? Where have I stated opinion as absolute fact as you so often do?

    You really are going to need more specific.

    I don't "need" to do anything, Shorty.



    Then you will continue to be perceived as you are which is basically as a troll.

    Do you really think I care what someone so uninformed about the issues and unskilled at debate as you thinks? 

    The first one to call another 'troll" is the real troll.  You just can't handle opposing views.



    I've got no problem with opposing views. My problem is with people, like yourself, who are so insecure in their own views that they are incapable of stating them without calling anyone who believes differently evil.

    Chaz345
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