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boatmen: dic:The scripture here, that hopefully we all were and are well familiar with, regarding giving quietly etc. is often expoited among Christians who chide other Christians about theor giving. here we have someone essentially indicting large swaths of Christians....most specifically those, of all things, with new cars. My response was inappropriate, in that I defended my giving. I should have not done that. But to those inclined to make blanket statements about Christian givers....let me just say, you just dont know what you are talking about.....that statement, you dont know what you are talking about, is true literally, and sort of figuratively. Thats where the judging comes in. Judging those with new cars and generally judging Christians like that with absolutely zero information on any individual is just not right. Is this how you justify and rationalize ignoring those in need dic? That we're not supposed to talk openly about it? That would be great IF indeed it were actually happening, but it's clear to anyone with even limited vision that it's not. Should we just continue to stick our heads in the sand and not say anything? Did you notice the "to be seen by them" and the "to be honored by men"? IF we are not to talk about how God is working in our lives to help others then why was the ACTS of the Apostles written? Isnt't that pretty much the story of what they did and how others responded? Have you not read the Gospel stories of what Christ did and how people praised God? Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. 2 Cor. 9:13 Perhaps you should correct Paul instead of me? See dic, it's really not about me or you. It's only always about God and if it's not then your doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. Ro. 2:29 Will God praise our laziness and hardheartedness?
dic:The scripture here, that hopefully we all were and are well familiar with, regarding giving quietly etc. is often expoited among Christians who chide other Christians about theor giving. here we have someone essentially indicting large swaths of Christians....most specifically those, of all things, with new cars. My response was inappropriate, in that I defended my giving. I should have not done that. But to those inclined to make blanket statements about Christian givers....let me just say, you just dont know what you are talking about.....that statement, you dont know what you are talking about, is true literally, and sort of figuratively. Thats where the judging comes in. Judging those with new cars and generally judging Christians like that with absolutely zero information on any individual is just not right.
Is this how you justify and rationalize ignoring those in need dic? That we're not supposed to talk openly about it? That would be great IF indeed it were actually happening, but it's clear to anyone with even limited vision that it's not. Should we just continue to stick our heads in the sand and not say anything?
Did you notice the "to be seen by them" and the "to be honored by men"?
IF we are not to talk about how God is working in our lives to help others then why was the ACTS of the Apostles written? Isnt't that pretty much the story of what they did and how others responded? Have you not read the Gospel stories of what Christ did and how people praised God?
Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. 2 Cor. 9:13 Perhaps you should correct Paul instead of me?
See dic, it's really not about me or you. It's only always about God and if it's not then your doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason.
No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. Ro. 2:29
Will God praise our laziness and hardheartedness?
BcauseHeLives: Here is a part of that scripture that I feel is as important as the rest: Do Not Worry 25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]? 28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
Here is a part of that scripture that I feel is as important as the rest:
25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
I agree it is a terribly important thing to remember that EVERYTHING we have is God's. It's not ours to hold onto.
Not so long ago I read a book about loving others. I don't remember the name of the book or the author but I thought at least one section was really quite good. The author made the point that at some level we must believe that God's love is limited and that we need to keep what we've been given or we'll lose. When in fact the opposite is true.
divorce in church: boatmen: dic:The scripture here, that hopefully we all were and are well familiar with, regarding giving quietly etc. is often expoited among Christians who chide other Christians about theor giving. here we have someone essentially indicting large swaths of Christians....most specifically those, of all things, with new cars. My response was inappropriate, in that I defended my giving. I should have not done that. But to those inclined to make blanket statements about Christian givers....let me just say, you just dont know what you are talking about.....that statement, you dont know what you are talking about, is true literally, and sort of figuratively. Thats where the judging comes in. Judging those with new cars and generally judging Christians like that with absolutely zero information on any individual is just not right. Is this how you justify and rationalize ignoring those in need dic? That we're not supposed to talk openly about it? That would be great IF indeed it were actually happening, but it's clear to anyone with even limited vision that it's not. Should we just continue to stick our heads in the sand and not say anything? Did you notice the "to be seen by them" and the "to be honored by men"? IF we are not to talk about how God is working in our lives to help others then why was the ACTS of the Apostles written? Isnt't that pretty much the story of what they did and how others responded? Have you not read the Gospel stories of what Christ did and how people praised God? Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. 2 Cor. 9:13 Perhaps you should correct Paul instead of me? See dic, it's really not about me or you. It's only always about God and if it's not then your doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason. No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God’s Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people. Ro. 2:29 Will God praise our laziness and hardheartedness? You missed my p;oint. You come close to accusing people of hoarding while you are needy, or more generally, hoarding while others are needy. I'm not just close here brother... I think I'm pretty plain spoken. How can some be so rich while others are so needy and yet still claim to Christians? In order to refute that I could list off my giving...I could show I have no money left after giving, and completely shatter your wrongly held illusion....but....I dont give so that I may later boast, or prove to you that I give...I give out of a pure heart for generosity. I suspect you'd be surprised how many others do as well. Here's the trick dic, it's not about you. I have no idea what you give or don't give. Don't really care to know actually. What I do tremendously care about is Christians obedience to God's Word and how that lines up with the realities of life. One good example does not make null and void the hundreds of poor examples. If you are one of the good ones, that's great! Praise God for your obedience! If not then God's Word is sharper than any 2 edged sword and will cut to the quick. What you are doing with this inuendo and undertone is wrong. I'm not justifying anything friend. I have no hoarding to justify. You got the wrong guy. If indeed I have the wrong guy then wouldn't you be joining me in calling people to more obedience and greater giving? I didn't ask you to justify your personal actions, what I asked you about was how to justify having wonderful things when others have so little? It's a general question, not a personal one. Can you just ignore me please. Im not the one you have a problem with. And you seem to be discontent unless you have a problem with someone. I can, but where would the fun be in that? You seem like you are well spoken and wanting to discuss the issues of the day. Is poverty not an issue to be discussed?
I'm not just close here brother... I think I'm pretty plain spoken. How can some be so rich while others are so needy and yet still claim to Christians?
In order to refute that I could list off my giving...I could show I have no money left after giving, and completely shatter your wrongly held illusion....but....I dont give so that I may later boast, or prove to you that I give...I give out of a pure heart for generosity. I suspect you'd be surprised how many others do as well. Here's the trick dic, it's not about you. I have no idea what you give or don't give. Don't really care to know actually. What I do tremendously care about is Christians obedience to God's Word and how that lines up with the realities of life. One good example does not make null and void the hundreds of poor examples. If you are one of the good ones, that's great! Praise God for your obedience! If not then God's Word is sharper than any 2 edged sword and will cut to the quick.
What you are doing with this inuendo and undertone is wrong. I'm not justifying anything friend. I have no hoarding to justify. You got the wrong guy. If indeed I have the wrong guy then wouldn't you be joining me in calling people to more obedience and greater giving? I didn't ask you to justify your personal actions, what I asked you about was how to justify having wonderful things when others have so little? It's a general question, not a personal one.
Can you just ignore me please. Im not the one you have a problem with. And you seem to be discontent unless you have a problem with someone. I can, but where would the fun be in that? You seem like you are well spoken and wanting to discuss the issues of the day. Is poverty not an issue to be discussed?
StillHopeful123: Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country? Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny? Something to seriously think about.
Regardless of what we think about Obama's presidency supposedly benefiting people financially, should not the issues that are more important to God, like Sanctity of Human Life and Marriage, be the decisive factors when we elect the next leader of our country?
Wouldn't, then, casting your vote for Obama go against the core of who you are as a Christian? How can a pro-Obama vote be reconciled with our Biblical standards? When standing before God on judgment day, will your explanation of and reasons for your pro-Obama vote withstand God's scrutiny?
Something to seriously think about.
Security of human life and marriage are proteted by INDIVIDUALS...!!!Not by a "president"./..
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Dallas
OH and by the way!!! The REPUBLICAN on this ticket is DIVORCED...
WAKE UP!!!
92:I will answer the OP's question with a question.....The Republicans are pro-life, the Democrats pro-abortion.Does that mean that you will vote for a Republican over a Democrat every time in every situation?According to your reasoning, a Republican pro-life president could invade Mexico and bomb Canada, yet you would still vote for him over a Democrat because of the abortion issue.That just doesn' t make any sense to me.
Of coourse it doesnt make any sense..As long as the "innocent" are protected..Everyone else can be nuked...(as long as they are born)///
divorce in church:That would all be really bad if a president was doing all those things.When those things occur...I may change my mind.
There are atleast 12 ways to prevent pregnancy and thousands of thousands of people who are waiting to adopt right now for those who get pregnant, but don't want to keep their baby.
Still, we are closing in on 50 Million babies being aborted. More than all the wars combined!
According to Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution, it is Congress who has the power to declare war. It is true, however, that the President, as Commander-in-Chief, has the power to deploy military forces without a formal declaration of war without congressional approval when 1. Maintaining neutrality, 2. Protecting Americans abroad, and 3. National Security. It is also true that such exercise of presidential powers can be performed by a Republican as well as a Democratic president. Remember Clinton? In fact, it is one of the duties of the President as Commander-in-Chief to do so, as mandated by the Constitution. Therefore, voting for either candidate will not guarantee that you will not see the next President act as Commander-in-Chief. Personally, I would be afraid to vote for the one who wouldn’t.
Again, regardless of what you think of the above, is the issue of presidential powers more important than the issue of abortion and the candidate’s view on when life begins? Obama says it is above his pay grade to acknowledge that babies not yet born are alive and are people. McCain says that life begins at conception.
What is the relationship between the next president’s position on the issue of life and the future of pro-abortion law? It is up to the US Supreme Court and not the President, or the Congress, to interpret (and to reject) the constitutionality of the current state of law as it pertains to woman’s right to abortion. It is up to the President, however, to appoint the next Supreme Court Justices who will be deciding the constitutionality of the abortion law as it stands today. And, as we all have heard during the latest presidential debate, both presidential candidates consider the abortion issue to be one of the main factors in selecting the next Supreme Court Justices. It will be up to the next President to appoint the people who will decide whether unborn babies can live, or if they can be killed when they pose an inconvenience to the mother.
(Please keep in mind that most of the mothers who go through the abortion procedures today are not fully informed about the full extent of the procedure, are not aware of the fact that the baby inside them is alive, has a heart beat, and can feel the entire procedure. Most of them are misled by such organizations as Planned Parenthood and are induced by false pretenses to kill their child. And most of the mothers who do go through the abortion procedure end up with a lifetime of mental anguish, regret, pain, physical problems, and other issues, that can never be resolved because they come to realize that what they’ve done was murdered their child.)
It is up to the next President to appoint the people who will have the power to change the current state of abortion law to reflect the fact that babies are people who have the right to live, just like any other American; and the right to be protected by law, just like the rest of us. It is true that to murder or not to murder a human being is an individual decision that comes with free will. However, as a society, we must stand up for those who cannot stand up for themselves and acknowledge that murder of the unborn will not be tolerated, just like murder of adults or the elderly, no matter how “inconvenient” they may be.
"The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children." -- Dietrich Bonhoeffer
As Christians, can any other political issue be of greater importance than the issue of sanctity of life of our unborn children?
dallasapple: OH and by the way!!! The REPUBLICAN on this ticket is DIVORCED... WAKE UP!!! Love Dallas
Thank you, Dallas,
I am up and as awake as I can be. Thus, this thread. Let’s all stay vigilant during the next few days while deciding what issues are, and should be, the most important to us as Christians. Remember, we are God’s instruments, and our ability to vote is to be used as His voice.
When I brought up the issue sanctity of marriage, I was referring to Marriage being redefined so as to include a union between a man and a man; and a woman and a woman, which goes directly against the definition established by God. No one is saying that a presidential candidate cannot be human. All have sinned and fall short... It is what we do after we fall that makes us who we are. The facts speak for themselves.
God bless
pro31:26:why do we blame the poor as being lazy n wanting hands out all the time? look around you n visit the social assistance office. check out the reality. you'll be surprised.
For all the pontification, we just don't trust God.
