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chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea. chaz, Normally I would say that the article was wrong with sinning less, but I don't know the more I listen to some of the men here I'm starting to doubt it. I don't know. What about some of the men here has caused you to question wether or not either gender sins more or less than the other? The failure to address the actual habits and actions of men and women in leadership as addressed in the article. The inability to respond to what and who the article is actually talking about instead shifting the conversation to focusing on the other women, the guilt, the sinfulness of other women. The inability to focus on women leaders and male leaders as stated. That leads me to think men don't want to address the any issues with male leadership and recognize any wrong doings, but would much rather shift fault to all women in any way they can. ]I'm sorry but I can't even begin to follow your thought process on that one. The article is pure garbage, completely unworthy of discussion based on what's in it. That it draws the conclusion that it does calls into question everything it has to say. But again, the article itself and any shreds of useful information it contains isn't even the point. The point is that the fact that such an article exists, and that we got as far as we did before anyone even questioned the assertion that men in power sin more than women in power, is pretty good evidence of the existance of larger problem that Spare, DiC and myself have been trying to get people to see.
pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea. chaz, Normally I would say that the article was wrong with sinning less, but I don't know the more I listen to some of the men here I'm starting to doubt it. I don't know. What about some of the men here has caused you to question wether or not either gender sins more or less than the other? The failure to address the actual habits and actions of men and women in leadership as addressed in the article. The inability to respond to what and who the article is actually talking about instead shifting the conversation to focusing on the other women, the guilt, the sinfulness of other women. The inability to focus on women leaders and male leaders as stated. That leads me to think men don't want to address the any issues with male leadership and recognize any wrong doings, but would much rather shift fault to all women in any way they can.
chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea. chaz, Normally I would say that the article was wrong with sinning less, but I don't know the more I listen to some of the men here I'm starting to doubt it. I don't know. What about some of the men here has caused you to question wether or not either gender sins more or less than the other?
pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea. chaz, Normally I would say that the article was wrong with sinning less, but I don't know the more I listen to some of the men here I'm starting to doubt it. I don't know.
chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea.
pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.
BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility.
Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility.
Atleast some of the men say what they mean and mean what they say.
pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: chaz345: pooh girl: BcauseHeLives: Maybe it's your refusal to speak only to the sins of these men in power? I don't know, I can't speak for others. It's just a possibility. I'd say it is since the article is addressing the actions of men and women in leadership, yet some resfuse to address the actual topic.Knowing the tendencies of the original poster, I think you are WAY off in what the actual topic is. The real point is that the article, and it's one sided nature, is a good illustration of what DiC and others have been saying all along that it's nearly always a man's fault. The article is essentially suggesting that since women in power sin less, they are better qualified than men to lead. Tell me you honestly don't have a problem with that idea. chaz, Normally I would say that the article was wrong with sinning less, but I don't know the more I listen to some of the men here I'm starting to doubt it. I don't know. What about some of the men here has caused you to question wether or not either gender sins more or less than the other? The failure to address the actual habits and actions of men and women in leadership as addressed in the article. The inability to respond to what and who the article is actually talking about instead shifting the conversation to focusing on the other women, the guilt, the sinfulness of other women. The inability to focus on women leaders and male leaders as stated. That leads me to think men don't want to address the any issues with male leadership and recognize any wrong doings, but would much rather shift fault to all women in any way they can. ]I'm sorry but I can't even begin to follow your thought process on that one. The article is pure garbage, completely unworthy of discussion based on what's in it. That it draws the conclusion that it does calls into question everything it has to say. But again, the article itself and any shreds of useful information it contains isn't even the point. The point is that the fact that such an article exists, and that we got as far as we did before anyone even questioned the assertion that men in power sin more than women in power, is pretty good evidence of the existance of larger problem that Spare, DiC and myself have been trying to get people to see. I see a larger problem which is 'some" men certainly not all take close to zero ownership for anything, but spend all their time pointing out all that's wrong with women and all that women have done wrong. Gosh, that right their isn't a good sign toward leadership, integrity or good character. I don't know I just can't figure "some" of you out. Atleast some of the men say what they mean and mean what they say.
dallasapple:But the fact of the matter this woman isnt making this up.
But the fact of the matter this woman isnt making this up.
Really? Where is her research proving the assertion that men in power are worse than women in power when it comes to sexual issues?
dallasapple:So I guess that ends the discussion..I guess we can all agree articles like this exist.
Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do?
I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you. Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them!
I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this. I doubt that is your intention at all.
Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive.
The Truth will set us all free!
BcauseHeLives: Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...
Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...
I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this.
BcauseHeLives: Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do? I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you. Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them! I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this. I doubt that is your intention at all. Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive. The Truth will set us all free!
I completely agree and have for a while.
The not only pointing out of the negative articles about men (and in the media)..the then pointing out that even if there is some truth to it(whats being said) what responsibilty do women have in the fact he exibits this negative behavior, action or attitude...then further what about women who do the same thing its not just men..and incredibly even though they are complaining about the amount of negativity and how it harms men...its then eluded to that its not equal..IOW why arent there more negative articles and portrayals of women out there.
Seriously if this was the attitude that most men had..I would quite frankly have a lower view of men in general.
Love
Dallas
BcauseHeLives:Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do? I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility
I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility
That's what's been being done by people far more qualified that us for a few decades now, and like I've said a hundred times, IT ISN'T WORKING.
BcauseHeLives:& stop dragging the women in the pit w/you. Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!!
BcauseHeLives:Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive.
In other words, go away and leave this place to us women.
BcauseHeLives:Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do? I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you. Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them! I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this. I doubt that is your intention at all. Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive. The Truth will set us all free!
pooh girl:I see a larger problem which is 'some" men certainly not all take close to zero ownership for anything, but spend all their time pointing out all that's wrong with women and all that women have done wrong.
I see a larger problem which is 'some" men certainly not all take close to zero ownership for anything, but spend all their time pointing out all that's wrong with women and all that women have done wrong.
That's odd, what we have here is an article about men, and how men may be inferior leaders because they are more immoral than women.
So it's going to be hard to convince me that what is going on is men failing to take responsibility for their actions. The men who have commented here have unanimously commented on how the governor sinned and should be held accountable for his actions.
So your assertion that men fail to take responsibility fails to hold water.
The only things that I've seen any backlash about discussing are the facts that there was a woman involved, her sins are not discussed to the same level as his, and there is no apparent effort to hold her responsible for her actions.
So the deflections about men not holding men responsible don't hold water in light of the facts.
You can make that assertion all day long, but it simply is not true.
pooh girl:Gosh, that right their isn't a good sign toward leadership, integrity or good character. I don't know I just can't figure "some" of you out.
Gosh, that right their isn't a good sign toward leadership, integrity or good character. I don't know I just can't figure "some" of you out.
Well you said it. And since it's not the men here who are resisting holding someone accountable for his actions, your accusation falls not on the men, but those who are asking why she is not held to the same standard? And that's not just a gender thing. I'm sure I can find both men and women who would hold her to a different standard than they hold him.
So I'm not anti-women, I've said that before. I'm anti-double-standard.
Anyone who resists discussing her part in this, or is against pointing out the biased nature of this article must be for the continued double standard, where the man in power is fully responsible and the woman involved is blameless.
To fail to discuss her part is to say she is not accountable for her actions.
pooh girl: Atleast some of the men say what they mean and mean what they say.
BcauseHeLives:Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do? I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you.
I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you.
No man can drag the woman in the pit. Your words about dragging women in the pit are telling. To say what you said is to say men drag women in the pits. We cannot.
You would reject the notion that women drag men into the pit, so why are you saying such an offensive thing here?
BcauseHeLives:Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them!
Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them!
Yet this very article is what you just cried out against. It's a woman, stepping on men, men in leadership trying to avoid looking like women are in the pit.
I have no problem with what you suggest. I simply ask that you apply that standard evenly. That you acknowledge how such one-sided articles are exactly what you just wrote should not be happening.
Then men participating in this discussion are not stepping on women. In fact, every man has said we are ALL in the very same pit. The men have asked for what you've asked for. We've simply asked that articles such as this one be recognized as that scene you've painted. Some in the pit stepping on others in a vain and fruitless attempt to get out.
BcauseHeLives: I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this. I doubt that is your intention at all.
So what you are saying is when you ask men to stop stepping on women to get out of the pit, you are not hurting the cause, but when we ask the same thing we are.
Because I'm asking for exactly the same things you are asking for. So I'm hurting the cause no more than you. You say I'm a problem, but you do the very things you say I'm doing.
The odd thing is, I've not tryed to limit the conversation to the actions of one gender. I've welcomed addressing the actions of BOTH parties in the affair. Having seen that his actions had been addressed and condemned, the natural follow up question is what do we do about her actions?
BcauseHeLives: Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive. The Truth will set us all free!
chaz345: BcauseHeLives:Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive. In other words, go away and leave this place to us women.
No that's not what I said...nor what I meant.
To address the rest of the post that this above quote came from would just be more of the same...and like I said, I've tried many times to explain it to you, one more time will not likely get me anywhere than where I am at right here.
chaz345: BcauseHeLives: Continually posting articles like this is also getting you no where...so what to do? I can't make my point any clearer Chaz...you guys need to look to your own gender & call them to responsibility & stop dragging the women in the pit w/you. Stop trying to step on the ladies backs to get out of the pit!! They're battling out of their own pits & could use the strength (leadership) of the men to get out of them! I'm here to tell you, w/out a doubt in my mind you, DiC & spare are hurting the cause of men & ultimately society with the way you are going about this. I doubt that is your intention at all. Maybe spend more time reading God's word. Instead of posting/reading here...take that time to turn to God in prayer & studying His word. I think that's far more proactive & productive. The Truth will set us all free! One more thing that seems to be convinently ignored even though it's been said a thousand times. The negative attitudes about men is not being blamed on women. Many many men have the same attitudes. The negative attitudes thing is not about women holding those attitudes and how it hurts men, it's about how both men and women hold those attitudes and about how it hurts everyone, probably hurts women and kids more than it hurts men.
Yes well the big buts get in the way....
...but women do this...
...but women just won't do this...
...but women etc, etc, etc, etc...
Christbewithyou:But what does the existance of such articles, and the fact that an overwhelming majority of them, especially ones in relatively mainstream widely accepted publications, are negative toward men, say overall?I don't know I guess I could go on a hunt on the internet, and find all kinds of articles in the other direction if I really wanted to. I have to wonder if this silly article was written due to all the political affairs that are being highlighted in the news right now?! Ya think?? Themed articles like this always pop up when something like this happens. I bet we see alot of articles about 'enablers' to the stars as well due to Michael's death. The news outlets seem to think we all want to read about that as well. If the women aren't sleeping with men they shouldn't in politics I'm sure we could find some equally NON 'character and intergity' aspects about them anyway. I bet people could find them if they searched for them as well! It may make you all feel better if you did that! That way you could concentrate on how your wife views you, instead of what the authors that write stuff for other places to make money do. God pretty much states we are to concentrate on ourselves more than what others see us as.I personally go to news outlets that have a better view on the world than the ones that tend to wish to stay on their own vision driven bandwagon. I guess you could start there as a second step, and you may have something more fair and balanced! There are some out there believe it or not! It may fill that need that some seem to have to see that the entire world - or even MOST of it - don't view things in terms of 'men are bad' or 'victims' or whatever the daily agenda is! LOL! There is a saying that when you spend to much time with 'basement' people you can't have a 'balcony' attitude about things. You see basement people always look for the worse, and balcony people can see the good with the bad. I guess I could spend my time looking for proof that women are victims most of the time, but I don't think it would do much for my outlook or attitude towards men. I'm sure it would effect it. I have choice in life if I want to go down that road. I prefer to view people as individuals, and make my decisions based on how I see their character. I don't see how lumping things together under 'gender' deals helps to much. Certain news outlets write and print things they KNOW will sell to their audience. LOL It doesn't prove anything! Well - except they market well to their audience I guess. There are alot of people in this world that don't have to view things black and white all the time,,,,,and don't have to go looking for that BUT to make them feel better.What does it say about the outlets yall choice to post? I guess it feeds some need for you. That's what it says. There are more pleasant and postive articles all over the place. lol why don't you all go there instead? It may prove something you never felt existed before!
This was a great post. <thumbs up>
That's odd, what we have here is an article about men, and how men may be inferior leaders because they are more immoral than women."
The article was SPECIFICALLy adressing or asking if men in POWER allow that power to influence the MORAL decision of wether to use that postion of influece to get more sex.If their sexual urges and the decision to committ adultery or not is more heavily affected by the power trip they are on than that of a woman in the same position of power.
That article was not about women in general having better morals than men.She also stated possible reasons a woman isnt going to risk it as having nothing to do with more superority.In specific she mentioned women have to work twice as hard to get that same position and its not worth the risk to her because she typically has invested far more than a man..That sounds more lile a calculated decision to me rather than higher morality.
She also included that men by nature think about sex more often than woman and so on.Obvioulsy trying to give another possible reason they tend to be the ones getting involved in these type sexual scandals.
If all you got out of that article is that women are morally superior to men therefore would make better leaders ..I dont know what to tell you Spare.
